Curse

Saider maul · Mar 18, 2006, 06:28 PM // 18:28

Here is a screenshot in droknar forge. I farm this area as a 55 monk and beleive the 55 monk should be allowed but these ebay bot users I greating a drive from farming area to farming area to a point anet will be forced to nerf all areas from being able to 55.

I implore you to allow a decent area for the 55 to earn what is is able in droknar forge but to patch it so an AI can not do it Or find a way to stop them from overlaying the programs they run. Their are several other places to farm as a 55 But drok is one of the last moderately profitable.

We really need a mod trader and more max bonus stats weapon crafters As well as sheild crafting being added.

Please do not allow the ebay community to destroy the game. Patch it in a way AI progs can not run in game.

Zaxan Razor · Mar 18, 2006, 07:32 PM // 19:32

Personally i think they should eliminate the 55Hp monk.

By all means each profession should be able to farm on its own, but..that build is way overpowered.

And if they somehow nerfed it, it would kill a lot of bots..tho maybe they'd find another way..bot W/E's perhaps? :P

Gunz Blazing Smile · Mar 18, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Even if they found a way to stop 55hp monks all together they really don't "disapear." More can play as a tank wich is probably a scary thought, but Spell Breaker DOES have it's uses and then just ask like a SS necro to do the dirty work. I'm not sure if Anet wants people to solo or not, hard to determine that with what they do and all. As for a patch to make it so that we can have shields, a mod trader, ect... that'll probably unstable alot of the point of farming for some of those. Although I wish I can help mess up those bots. I read in another forum where someone found a way to do that by joining them and then place a spirit or use Vital Blessing on them to screw up the build.

aB- · Mar 18, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Most of the asian farmeres there are not bots, but people working in sweatshops for very little pay. This makes it extremely hard to prevent because what they are doing is legal as far as I know.

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

We really need a mod trader and more max bonus stats weapon crafters As well as sheild crafting being added.

There are weapon collectors for nearly every weapon type in the desert. There are weapon crafters for things like axes, swords, and hammers in Droknar's Forge that have max damage mods and 15%^50 mods. There is a shield collector that makes a max defense shield with a 45/-2 mod in stance, the best it gets. You don't need very much money to get the best gear in the game.

Mavrik · Mar 18, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

Want to stop the 55 monk? remove everything that drops the monk's health to 55 as well as simply nerf all the great skills a 55 monk uses... why hell just remove monks all together... who needs em since the build is obviously being exploited... geez....

btw I was sarcastic

Fluffyx · Mar 18, 2006, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by Zaxan Razor

Personally i think they should eliminate the 55Hp monk.

By all means each profession should be able to farm on its own, but..that build is way overpowered.

And if they somehow nerfed it, it would kill a lot of bots..tho maybe they'd find another way..bot W/E's perhaps? :P

Almost any class can run a 55 build. Maybe not as efficient as a Mo/w though. I believe that it should be nerfed as well. Solo farming is lame. The game was not meant for one player to run through farming for their money. Yeah it would get rid of most of the solo farming bots and make the int. districts a better place where you dont have to have your local filter off. :]

Mavrik · Mar 18, 2006, 07:48 PM // 19:48

I'll gladly farm with you if you'll give me all your drops.

Oh but you don't want to do that do you?

Fine I'll go by myself

knives · Mar 18, 2006, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Just put a dryder or something there with vampiric touch and max blood.

Actually, just put a necro monster in farmable areas that has vampiric touch or use mobs that have physical damage and add in necro monsters that use order of the vampire like in the second half of elonas.

Saider maul · Mar 18, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

i run a 55 monk to farm can make 100-150k a day after work no problem. it is a awsome farmer. its the ebay and traders doing this who need stopped.
55 is easy but 55 well does take skill. I feel those who push its limits should reep the reward, but these people jacking mod prices up to make more on ebay is what has crippled this market. Gold is easy to make yes. But to eliminate everything that allows people to deal with the market. Thats obserd.

Yes the 55 has had a major impact on the economy but its not the average player whos at fault. We need something in the market to regulate pricing and we need something in the game to prevent background progs running.

And Yes if 55 Farming is nerfed then 55 becomes a tank. A way over powered tank. Whos smite goes axe or sword and melee's to high heaven from energy gain.

Like tanks aren't wanted enough already.lol

Bovar · Mar 18, 2006, 08:07 PM // 20:07

I had some fun with some chinese bots(people?) in Droks today, it was wierd, one bot even had automated responses that came up in the chat. Stuff like "lol" "go go go" and even continued whispering me after I had kicked him from my party!

Basically I would cast vital blessing on the bot then when it died I would cast unyielding aura to rez it. After it was rezed it would start the whole farming sequence again! I did this 3 times before the bot left.

Here are some pics....

Age · Mar 18, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Who is to say that these are bots and not some Monks just trying to get skill points and gold for more skills for all or most secoundary profs?If you were to nerf the 55 monk all it means is those who use to use them will simply turn toward a a good Warrior build which can farm anything so in the end it it would be futile effort.I will say this that is has gotten out of hand with all the runes up in price as it time to leave the runes alone.I say this becuase if some one need just 1 or 2 sup. runes and they are low on gold they can't afford them.It is only the Monk runes that are way to high in price as well the the Warrior sup. absorb. rune.

Fluffyx · Mar 18, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

i run a 55 monk to farm can make 100-150k a day after work no problem. it is a awsome farmer. its the ebay and traders doing this who need stopped.
55 is easy but 55 well does take skill. I feel those who push its limits should reep the reward, but these people jacking mod prices up to make more on ebay is what has crippled this market. Gold is easy to make yes. But to eliminate everything that allows people to deal with the market. Thats obserd.

Yes the 55 has had a major impact on the economy but its not the average player whos at fault. We need something in the market to regulate pricing and we need something in the game to prevent background progs running.

And Yes if 55 Farming is nerfed then 55 becomes a tank. A way over powered tank. Whos smite goes axe or sword and melee's to high heaven from energy gain.

Like tanks aren't wanted enough already.lol

The 55 build is something thats been around to long. To much profit has been made from it if you said you can rake in 100-150k a day no wonder everythings so devalued. You dont think its unfair that another farmer would be happy to make that over a week and you can do it in a day? Saying that a 55 is hard to play is kinda funny. Its not a hard build to play at all if you have the right skills on your bar and attributes, which you can get from any GW builds site. Its ridiculous that this has been around this long period. But people keep thinking up ways to save this build and it just keeps flooding the market. It doesnt matter if its bots or if its humans the point is that it needs to be stopped. Or put a strickter limit on the drops.

Str0b0 · Mar 18, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by aB-

Most of the asian farmeres there are not bots, but people working in sweatshops for very little pay. This makes it extremely hard to prevent because what they are doing is legal as far as I know.

Well it depends see. If they are farming for their own benefit or for the benefit of their guild and not for a third party site or an Ebay auction then it is perfectly legal. If they are farming in order to make a profit by selling the items on a third party site or on Ebay that's not legal at all. It's theft of intellectual property. The items you farm do not belong to you nor does the software you purchased belong to you persay. The software and all of its components belong to ANet. You are simply licensed to use them for your own entertainment. The license does not allow for you to make a profit off of their property. Intellectual property laws are difficult to enforce across borders though. Many countries do not recognize many cyber crimes, including intellectual property theft and piracy, as crimes. The only way for them to combat this is to take an aggressive legal stance against the third party sites and to make sure their product is introduced only in areas that recognize these crimes and allow for the collection of civil damages and the pressing of criminal charges.

Another way to stop this is to simply stop buying from them. These people can't operate if there isn't a market. I applaud some of the fansites, such as Ten Ton Hammer, for removing all third party item seller advertising from their sites. I just wish ANet would take a more aggressive stance against it. Legal action costs money but if they could collect a mass settlement just once it would discourage others from entering the racket. I've also suggested a data base query that would track the fields having to do with inventory and gold. Any large ammount being transferred between two people without an exchange of items involved is kind of a dead give away. Before anyone gets up in arms about that let me just say that the quantities of gold being purchased from these sites is larger than anyone would ever need to have at once so the odds of you getting popped for transferring funds to a guildie or a friend are slim. In the end it will take a combined effort of ANet and us as players to stop the abusive farming that is killing the game. How? By simply not buying from these people and by reporting anyone that has. Like I said earlier , if you eliminate the market then the service must cease because of a lack of profit.

Misa · Mar 18, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

I don't see what the problem is...... people don't farm with 55 as much as before.

They already nerfed 55 monks over the summer. Plus there are tons of enchant-removing monsters around... There is no need to nerf invici monks any further.

One nerfied that worked and that should be enough.

If not we might as well nerf all classes.

KANE OG · Mar 18, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

If I run a 55 Monk, you couldn't tell the difference between me and a bot. I'd do the same stuff, run the same routes, etc. You gonna get rid of my account too?

Before the flames start: I said, "If".

MMSDome · Mar 18, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

everyone makes their own way of living, as for the 55 monk. Leave it be, it would kill other builds to nerf the spells that they use for the build. If you want to nerf it take out the -50 cesta, even though theyd adapt, but o well itd be slowing down. The economy is fine, leave it be.

Saider maul · Mar 18, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

in droknar guile strip enchantments so do grawl crones, Wise degen , giants stomp and trolls interupt.. Only experienced can handle that. And Yes i do feel 55 Needs an area set for farming that is extremely hard requiring alot of skill to EARN its profit. 55 can be difficult to a new player yes.

I'm saying drok is easy in front but farm to rankor and to icecave and see how well ya do against the harder enemy. the challenge in pushing the limits is why I feel drok should be saved. Its one area aside from titan farming the monk must be on its toes to farm the outer reaches of the zone not just the easy stuff in front for a noob.

Saider maul · Mar 18, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

further more anet should find a way to stop background progs from running and just intergate TS and vetrillo into the game.

Sunai · Mar 18, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Saider maul

further more anet should find a way to stop background progs from running and just intergate TS and vetrillo into the game.

I've heard you say that at least three times today, and I have to be honest. That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Might be nice to integrate voice chat into the game, but locking out every other program from running while Guild Wars is up is insane. I'm sure I'm not the only one that uses, at the very least, a web browser and instant messengers constantly.

IIIPowerIII · Mar 18, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Just make Prot Spirit/Bond Other Target Only... That not hard...